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Kung hindi raw si Kristo ang nagtatag ng Catholic Church sino pala?

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Oct 31 07 2:25 PM

kuya pomski,

Pax et Bonum!

in your question, you already presume that Christ DID NOT found the Catholic Church. that is false. therefore, there seems to be no point discussing something which has a false presumption from the beginning.

suggestion: any worthy discussion must begin with a premise which can be opined as either true or false, favorable or unfavorable, or answerable by 'yes' or 'no.'

but if this is an innocent question, let me answer you: the Catholic Church is founded by Christ. whoever told you that the Catholic Church was not founded by Christ has misled you.

may God bless you, pomski!

your little brother,

Friar Joed

caritas Christi urget nos.

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Oct 31 07 4:54 PM

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kuya pomski,

Pax et Bonum!

in your question, you already presume that Christ DID NOT found the Catholic Church. that is false. therefore, there seems to be no point discussing something which has a false presumption from the beginning.

suggestion: any worthy discussion must begin with a premise which can be opined as either true or false, favorable or unfavorable, or answerable by 'yes' or 'no.'

but if this is an innocent question, let me answer you: the Catholic Church is founded by Christ. whoever told you that the Catholic Church was not founded by Christ has misled you.

may God bless you, pomski!

your little brother,

Friar Joed


Correct! The catholic church was founded by Jesus Christ Himself, and the Church can prove it.

Just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function, so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.

Romans 12:4-5

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Oct 31 07 4:56 PM

Sino ba ang nilalabas nilang pangalan?
Sabi nila si Emperor Constantine daw pano yan may Catholic Church na bago pa lang lumitaw si Constantine (St. Ignatius remember?) binanggit niya ang Catholic Church sa kanyang mga sulat.

Kami may maituturong pangalan ng founder ninyo: Perez, Manalo, Luther, etc.

I am with you always, to the very end of the age. - Jesus
Matthew 28


Ang Iglesia o Simbahang itinatag ni Kristo ay hindi namatay at muling binuhay ng sino lang.

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Oct 31 07 9:18 PM

allthumbs wrote:
kuya pomski,

Pax et Bonum!

in your question, you already presume that Christ DID NOT found the Catholic Church. that is false. therefore, there seems to be no point discussing something which has a false presumption from the beginning.

suggestion: any worthy discussion must begin with a premise which can be opined as either true or false, favorable or unfavorable, or answerable by 'yes' or 'no.'

but if this is an innocent question, let me answer you: the Catholic Church is founded by Christ. whoever told you that the Catholic Church was not founded by Christ has misled you.

may God bless you, pomski!

your little brother,

Friar Joed


pwede po magbigay kayo ng verses sa bible na si Jesus Christ ang founder ng Catholic Church??? :-?

Ganito ang sabi ng Panginoon, Magsitayo kayo sa mga daan at magsitingin kayo, at ipagtanong ninyo ang mga dating landas, kung saan nandoon ang mabuting daan; at magsilakad kayo roon, at kayo'y mangakakasumpong ng kapahingahan sa inyong mga kaluluwa........

Jeremias 6:16

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Nov 1 07 3:06 AM

Unahan ko na Catholics. Lagi kong naririnig ito eh..

Matthew 16:18
"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. (NASB)

Notable conversations:
1.Banal na halik thread: page 11 to 12
2. ADD roots thread: the whole thread (in particular pages 1,2 & 5)
3. Morality thread: page 1 to 2

Magagalak ang matuwid pagka nakita niya ang higanti: kaniyang huhugasan ang kaniyang mga paa sa dugo ng masama. ~Awit 58:10

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Nov 1 07 9:28 AM

Achilles wrote:
Unahan ko na Catholics. Lagi kong naririnig ito eh..

Matthew 16:18
"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. (NASB)


saan dyan???Katoliko ba yan???prove it... :-P

Ganito ang sabi ng Panginoon, Magsitayo kayo sa mga daan at magsitingin kayo, at ipagtanong ninyo ang mga dating landas, kung saan nandoon ang mabuting daan; at magsilakad kayo roon, at kayo'y mangakakasumpong ng kapahingahan sa inyong mga kaluluwa........

Jeremias 6:16

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Nov 1 07 6:12 PM

kuya incubus, if i will follow your line of thought, WALANG itinatag si Kristong anumang grupo at ang lahat ng Kristyanong grupo ngayon ay pawang hungkag at mapagpanggap. unless na lang na mate-trace nila ang origins nila sa panahon ni Kristo: pero kahit na ganun, hindi pa rin papasa sa'yo. kelangan kasi malinaw na nakasulat sa Scripture, e. sigurado naman akong walang nakasulat doong "And Jesus founded XXX and said that only through XXX will you be saved."

amen.

caritas Christi urget nos.

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Nov 8 07 4:48 PM

┼OneWithChrist┼ wrote:
allthumbs wrote:
kuya pomski,

Pax et Bonum!

in your question, you already presume that Christ DID NOT found the Catholic Church. that is false. therefore, there seems to be no point discussing something which has a false presumption from the beginning.

suggestion: any worthy discussion must begin with a premise which can be opined as either true or false, favorable or unfavorable, or answerable by 'yes' or 'no.'

but if this is an innocent question, let me answer you: the Catholic Church is founded by Christ. whoever told you that the Catholic Church was not founded by Christ has misled you.

may God bless you, pomski!

your little brother,

Friar Joed


Correct! The catholic church was founded by Jesus Christ Himself, and the Church can prove it.


It is important to know the History of the Church. Kaya hindi ako naniniwala sa Bible Alone.

Matthew 28:19

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit

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Nov 16 07 9:13 AM

incubus wrote:
Achilles wrote:
Unahan ko na Catholics. Lagi kong naririnig ito eh..

Matthew 16:18
"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. (NASB)


saan dyan???Katoliko ba yan???prove it... :-P


May pangalan ang founder nyo, Perez o si Eli Soriano. Sino ang founder namin? ??: Pano yan kaya naming i-trace sa history ang Church namin, katulad nyo, paano nyo maproprove na si Perez at si Eli Soriano ay nasa iisang church? Kahit ang tawag nilang Iglesia ay magkaiba ang pangalan. ??: Paano after 50 years kapag may humiwalay sa inyo pero claim nila kay Soriano rin sila galing at iba na sila, di ba ayaw mo rin at kaya nyong itrace na ang sa inyo ang tunay na MCGI o iglesia kung saan nagtuturo si Eli Soriano?

I am with you always, to the very end of the age. - Jesus
Matthew 28


Ang Iglesia o Simbahang itinatag ni Kristo ay hindi namatay at muling binuhay ng sino lang.

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Achilles

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Dec 5 07 2:22 PM

di na kumibo si incubus ah.. LOL

Tanong ko lang:
1)E bakit pa kailangang pangalanan? Ayon kasi sa naging usapan namin ni Incubus dun sa ADD roots, ang kwento ay ganito:

May kausap si Jesus sa Matthew 28:20.
Then blank.......
Then 1936 itinayo ni Ginoong Perez ang INDKKHHSNK.

Now i-relate ko naman kaya sa Catholicism:
Bakit pa kelangang pangalanan ng Catholics? Napanood ko iyong debate ni Mr. Villas ng St. Peter's Men Society tsaka ni Ginoong Soriano na naganap sa Quiapo. Ang pagkakasabi niya ay dahil daw andaming nagsilitaw na heretics at mga bulaan.... hmm...

Notable conversations:
1.Banal na halik thread: page 11 to 12
2. ADD roots thread: the whole thread (in particular pages 1,2 & 5)
3. Morality thread: page 1 to 2

Magagalak ang matuwid pagka nakita niya ang higanti: kaniyang huhugasan ang kaniyang mga paa sa dugo ng masama. ~Awit 58:10

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Dec 5 07 2:57 PM

The origin of the Catholic Church is said to be from Jesus Christ. Many consider it be one of the oldest religious institutions in history. The word “catholic” means universal and indicates the spreading of the Catholic Church around the globe.

The church teaches that it was founded by Jesus Christ through Peter the Apostle. They say that three days after Jesus died and rose again, he established the new church and named Peter as the first Bishop (later known as Pope). Matthew 16:18-19 says, "Now I say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it. And I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you lock on earth will be locked in heaven, and whatever you open on earth will be opened in heaven."

In AD 69, Peter is martyred and is succeeded by Saint Linus as Pope. The word Catholic is first used around 110 in a historical letter from Ignatius of Antioch.

In my opinion the word Catholic which also means "open" was being used by the early Christian even before(110 A.D.) the St. Ignatius letter, the apostles were commissioned to spread the Gospel to anyone so the Non- Jew would commonly says ( maybe) " I'm not a Jew how is it possible for us to belong in your religion?" the replies of course would be " We are
" Katholicus" or we are open,
because Judaism at that time is Closed or Exclusive religion for Jewish people.

{col 4:2}Keep prayer always near...

{Esther 8:2} ...and she humbled her body with fasting, and all the aspects of her beauty, she covered with her torn hair.

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Aug 5 08 2:34 PM

Esther wrote:

The origin of the Catholic Church is said to be from Jesus Christ.


Bakit "it said to be"? So it means hindi sigurado

They say that three days after Jesus died and rose again, he established the new church and named Peter as the first Bishop (later known as Pope).


Whose "they"?

" We are
" Katholicus" or we are open, because Judaism at that time is Closed or Exclusive religion for Jewish people.


Since sabi mo na it means also as closed but it doesn't mean na nung binanggit nila yung word na katolikus eh it pertains to your religion now.

Say (Mohammad):"O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah (alone), and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah.: Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims." Qur'an 3:64

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Aug 5 08 3:00 PM

Ang pinaka-oldest na naligtas na document ay 100 A.D. binanggit ni st. ignatius ang catholic church. Ang salitang Catholic ibig sabihin lang naman ay Universal. Hindi naman ito sekta-sekta lang katulad lang ng mga Jehovah's Witness, Mormons, INC, born again at iba pa... maraming proof na nag-ugat talaga ang Church sa isa at tunay na Church. Kung hindi tunay ang sinasabi ni Kristo, namatay ang Church pero hindi.

ANG BRIDE NI KRISTO KAGAYA NIYA HINDI ITO MAMAMATAY AT HIHINTAYIN SIYA NITO HANGGANG SA WAKAS NG PANAHON.

I am with you always, to the very end of the age. - Jesus
Matthew 28


Ang Iglesia o Simbahang itinatag ni Kristo ay hindi namatay at muling binuhay ng sino lang.

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Aug 5 08 3:09 PM

so ibig sabihin mali ang definition ni esther na "open"?

Say (Mohammad):"O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah (alone), and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah.: Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims." Qur'an 3:64

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Aug 5 08 3:33 PM

Let's wait for her answer..

I am with you always, to the very end of the age. - Jesus
Matthew 28


Ang Iglesia o Simbahang itinatag ni Kristo ay hindi namatay at muling binuhay ng sino lang.

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Aug 5 08 5:08 PM

there's nothing contrary with the word "open" , "universal" or "catholic" - which means pangkalahatan for all God's children which is the church (the living body of Christ).

{col 4:2}Keep prayer always near...

{Esther 8:2} ...and she humbled her body with fasting, and all the aspects of her beauty, she covered with her torn hair.

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Aug 5 08 10:56 PM

Sino ang nagtatag ng Iglesia katolika? Si Cristo ba? o mga pari lamang?

Ang ibig sabihin daw ng salitang Catholic ayon mismo sa kanila ay universal. o pangkalahatan.


TANONG: Kung ito talaga ang unang iglesia na itinayo ni cristo, makapagbibigay kaba ng talata sa biblia na "iglesia katolika apostolika romana' nga ang pangalan ng iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo?

Ang sabi nyo lalong nagpapatunay ang kasaysayan sa pagsasabi na ang Iglesia katolika ang siyang tunay na iglesia. ibig sabihin alam na ng mga apostol ang tungkol sa iglesia katolika?

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Aug 6 08 3:13 PM

Esther wrote:

there's nothing contrary with the word "open" , "universal" or "catholic" - which means pangkalahatan for all God's children which is the church (the living body of Christ).


If it is not contrary so you mean to say similar sila sa meaning? So everytime i use the word "open" or "universal" it pertains to catholics or catholicism?

Say (Mohammad):"O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah (alone), and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah.: Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims." Qur'an 3:64

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