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Esther

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Aug 14 08 12:14 PM

theoden wrote:
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there's nothing contrary with the word "open" , "universal" or "catholic" - which means pangkalahatan for all God's children which is the church (the living body of Christ).


If it is not contrary so you mean to say similar sila sa meaning? So everytime i use the word "open" or "universal" it pertains to catholics or catholicism?


It really depends on how you use the word " open " or "universal" .

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Aug 14 08 1:01 PM

please expand your explanation.

Say (Mohammad):"O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah (alone), and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah.: Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims." Qur'an 3:64

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Aug 21 08 4:25 PM

theoden wrote:
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The origin of the Catholic Church is said to be from Jesus Christ.


Bakit "it said to be"? So it means hindi sigurado


hindi rin. "is said to be" as it is used here is a semantic tool which seeks to point to rationale and not to signify lack of sureness. the sentence can be read as "The reason behind saying that Jesus is the origin of the Catholic Church is..." which is a more complex (although a bit more precise) way of saying "The origin of the Catholic Church is said to be Jesus..."

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They say that three days after Jesus died and rose again, he established the new church and named Peter as the first Bishop (later known as Pope).


Whose "they"?


i agree with your confusion, but this shouldn't really matter unless you want to be strict about it. Esther may be quoting a source, or using "they" to refer to authors or to Church documents. either way, the spirit of the statement is valid despite the grammatical or semantic lapses. in fact, you yourself committed one" "Whose" refer to ownership, i think it is a possessive pronoun, like "Whose book?" or "Whose house?" meaning "Who owns the book?" or "Who owns the house?". what you should have used is "Who's" which is a contraction of "Who is" and thus you would then correctly be asking Esther "Who is 'they?'" and not "Who owns 'they?'"

theoden wrote:
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" We are
" Katholicus" or we are open, because Judaism at that time is Closed or Exclusive religion for Jewish people.


Since sabi mo na it means also as closed but it doesn't mean na nung binanggit nila yung word na katolikus eh it pertains to your religion now.


again, not necessarily. Esther just opines the initial intent or use of the word but it would soon also become nominative (use as a noun) as much as descriptive (use as an adjective). Esther seems to opine that the name Katholicus may at first be intended to describe the openness of the Church but it does not follow that Catholic Church now is different from that first Church.

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Aug 22 08 8:38 AM

Hi Brother Joed,

It's really nice to hear from you again! I been also absent on this web for quite a time, and didn't notice brother Theoden query. thanks for your reply.

Lara

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Jan 21 09 8:10 PM

ITINATANONG PA BA IYAN? SIYEMPRE ANG PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO! EH YUNG NAGPAPAKUNWARING IGLESIA NI CRISTO NA SUMULPOT NA PARANG KABUTI NOONG 1914, SINO ANG NGATAYO NUN?

Job 22:15 (Ang Biblia)

Iyo bang pagpapatuluyan ANG DATING DAAN, na nilakaran ng mga MASASAMANG TAO?

2 Tesalonika 2:15

Kaya nga, mga kapatid, manatili kayong matatag sa mga katotohanang itinuro namin sa inyo, maging sa salita o sa sulat.

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Jan 23 09 2:20 PM

sinabi ba ni jesus sa biblia na kristiano katolico ang tinatag niya? Kung salita ang pag-uusapan eh di mas katanggap-tanggap pa ang salitang "Iglesia ni Kristo" (wala akong kinakampihan sa inyong dalawa)? Kasi nung panahon ni kristo hindi pa "nauuso" ang salita "Kristiano"

Say (Mohammad):"O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah (alone), and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah.: Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims." Qur'an 3:64

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Jan 23 09 11:40 PM

theoden wrote:
sinabi ba ni jesus sa biblia na kristiano katolico ang tinatag niya? Kung salita ang pag-uusapan eh di mas katanggap-tanggap pa ang salitang "Iglesia ni Kristo" (wala akong kinakampihan sa inyong dalawa)? Kasi nung panahon ni kristo hindi pa "nauuso" ang salita "Kristiano"


PAGAANGKIN LAMANG ANG PAGGAMIT NG MGA MANALONIANS NG PANGALANG "IGLESIA NI CRISTO" SAPAGKAT HINDI SILA MGA KRISTYANO.

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Jan 24 09 9:10 AM

RCCWARRIOR wrote:
theoden wrote:
sinabi ba ni jesus sa biblia na kristiano katolico ang tinatag niya? Kung salita ang pag-uusapan eh di mas katanggap-tanggap pa ang salitang "Iglesia ni Kristo" (wala akong kinakampihan sa inyong dalawa)? Kasi nung panahon ni kristo hindi pa "nauuso" ang salita "Kristiano"


PAGAANGKIN LAMANG ANG PAGGAMIT NG MGA MANALONIANS NG PANGALANG "IGLESIA NI CRISTO" SAPAGKAT HINDI SILA MGA KRISTYANO.


Empress : pero napakaliwanag sa Biblia na hindi ka lipi ni Abraham dahil ayaw mo siyang kilalanin! Ayon sa aking bolang kristal ikaw ay NAKAMASKARA - you are masquerading only.

Dra. L Lamsa : and beside alam ko ang lahat ng blood pressure ng lahat ng kasali rito. Pareho kayo ng DNA at BP ni Incubus amoy na amoy ko na hindi ka rin naliligo!!!

Thoyoden : woooowwww I've been hussle by this devils mouth! because my IQ is low!

Chapter 112 (Suratul Ikhlas)

In the name of Allah, the Benificent, the Merciful

112.1-4 . Say : He is Allah , the One! Allah , he eternally Besought of all! He begetteth not nor was begotten. And there is none comparable unto Him .

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Mar 29 09 10:42 AM

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Sino ang nagtatag ng Iglesia katolika? Si Cristo ba? o mga pari lamang?

Ang ibig sabihin daw ng salitang Catholic ayon mismo sa kanila ay universal. o pangkalahatan.


TANONG: Kung ito talaga ang unang iglesia na itinayo ni cristo, makapagbibigay kaba ng talata sa biblia na "iglesia katolika apostolika romana' nga ang pangalan ng iglesiang itinayo ni Cristo?

Ang sabi nyo lalong nagpapatunay ang kasaysayan sa pagsasabi na ang Iglesia katolika ang siyang tunay na iglesia. ibig sabihin alam na ng mga apostol ang tungkol sa iglesia katolika?


yung tanong sa una saan daw sa bibliya nakasulat ang roman catholic church. ito ang sagot. ang tanong mismo ay HINDI VALID. :-x :-P

parang tanong yang, "kailan ka lumipad kahapon sakay ng elepanteng lumilipad?"

haha :doh: :tinawanan: :suntok: :tawahinto:

So mhongs, sino pala ang pari na sinasabi mong nagtayo ng iglesia katolika?

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Mar 31 09 5:51 AM

saan daw sa bibliya nakasulat ang roman catholic church. ito ang sagot. ang tanong mismo ay HINDI VALID

hindi valid?!

teka..diba kasasabi lang ng katropa mong si Kapatas na mababasa sa biblya yung katoliko? am i missing something?

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May 7 09 3:26 PM

oy saan mababasa sa bibliya na ibinigay kay pedro AY ANG susi ng LANGIT TAKE NOTE LANGIT HA LANGIT, at saan mababasa sa bibliya na simbahang katoliko ang tinatag ni kristo? :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

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May 7 09 4:07 PM

Eh saan ding talata ng Bibliya na itinatag Niya yung samahan ninyo na pabagu-bago ng pangalan?

Job 22:15 (Ang Biblia)

Iyo bang pagpapatuluyan ANG DATING DAAN, na nilakaran ng mga MASASAMANG TAO?

2 Tesalonika 2:15

Kaya nga, mga kapatid, manatili kayong matatag sa mga katotohanang itinuro namin sa inyo, maging sa salita o sa sulat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyyJAcCHCRM

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May 8 09 12:37 PM

Gusto mo ng batayan na ibinigay nga kay Apostol San Pedro ang susi ng Langit? Eto ang batayan, at nawa'y mag-ingat ka sa pambabatikos Ginoong Pagano:

Mateo 16:17-18 (Ang Salita ng Diyos)

17.Sinabi ni Jesus sa kaniya: Pinagpala ka, Simon na anak ni Jonas sapagkat hindi ito ipinahayag sa iyo ng laman at dugo kundi ng aking Ama na nasa langit.

18.At sinasabi ko rin sa iyo: Ikaw ay Pedro. Sa ibabaw ng batong ito ay itatayo ko ang aking iglesiya. Hindi makakapanaig sa kaniya ang tarangkahan ng Hades.

19.Ibibigay ko sa iyo ang mga susi ng paghahari ng langit. Anuman ang iyong tatalian sa lupa ay tatalian sa langit. Anuman ang iyong kalagan sa lupa ay kakalagan sa langit.

20.Pagkatapos, ipinagbilin niya sa kaniyang mga alagad na huwag nilang sabihin kaninuman na siya ay si Jesus, ang Mesiyas.

Malinaw na ang Susi ng Kaharian ng Langit ay ipinagkaloob kay Pedro, hindi kay Eliseo Soriano, Felix Manalo at kung sinu-sino pang mga bulaang propeta. Kaya dapat ay nananatiling nakabuklod sa mga Apostol ang mga Kristyano at kinikilala ang kanilang awtoridad.

Job 22:15 (Ang Biblia)

Iyo bang pagpapatuluyan ANG DATING DAAN, na nilakaran ng mga MASASAMANG TAO?

2 Tesalonika 2:15

Kaya nga, mga kapatid, manatili kayong matatag sa mga katotohanang itinuro namin sa inyo, maging sa salita o sa sulat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyyJAcCHCRM

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May 8 09 1:58 PM

KUMANA KA NANAMAN BOBO... ang tinatag diyan ay IGLESIA hindi katoliko at ang susi diyan ay kaharian sa langit hindi susi ng langit b*b*.......

eh kung mabasa ko sa bibliya na ang tinatag ni kristo ay ang iglesia ng dios tapos na ang usapan na ito talo ka na?

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May 8 09 3:29 PM

Alam mo darkai, ke susi ng kaharian ng Langit or ng langit, ang mahalaga ay binigyan ng susi si Apostol Pedro. Ibig sabihin, binigyan siya ng awtoridad sa Iglesia, hindi yang amo mo. Isa pa, hindi ko naman itinatanggi na ang Iglesia ng Panginoon ay tinatawag na Iglesia ng Dios, subalit ang pagkakagamit doon ay hindi pangalang pantangi kundi pangalang-diwa.

Job 22:15 (Ang Biblia)

Iyo bang pagpapatuluyan ANG DATING DAAN, na nilakaran ng mga MASASAMANG TAO?

2 Tesalonika 2:15

Kaya nga, mga kapatid, manatili kayong matatag sa mga katotohanang itinuro namin sa inyo, maging sa salita o sa sulat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyyJAcCHCRM

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May 10 09 11:22 AM

eh t*nga ka pala eh, kita mo ngayon supal ka nanaman isa pa saan mababasa sa bibliya na ang pari ninyo na mula sa kalurunan ay ang hinirang ng dios? b*b* sagutin mo to!!!!! :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P

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May 10 09 4:55 PM

Eh t**** ka pala eh! Hindi nagmula ang Iglesia sa Roma kundi sa Jerusalem. Roma lang ang naging sentro dahil nagtungo don si Apostol Pedro. Isa pa, ang tunay na Iglesia ay hindi nagsimula sa Apalit Pampanga!

Job 22:15 (Ang Biblia)

Iyo bang pagpapatuluyan ANG DATING DAAN, na nilakaran ng mga MASASAMANG TAO?

2 Tesalonika 2:15

Kaya nga, mga kapatid, manatili kayong matatag sa mga katotohanang itinuro namin sa inyo, maging sa salita o sa sulat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyyJAcCHCRM

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May 25 09 4:30 PM

RCCWARRIOR wrote:
Eh t**** ka pala eh! Hindi nagmula ang Iglesia sa Roma kundi sa Jerusalem. Roma lang ang naging sentro dahil nagtungo don si Apostol Pedro. Isa pa, ang tunay na Iglesia ay hindi nagsimula sa Apalit Pampanga!


Talaga??? Sa Apalit, Pampanga???

Mga taga-INC at ADD pwede sabihan nyo mga minstro nyo pa-register naman mga kulto nyo sa religioustolerance.org para maitala naman kung sino ang founder nyo at kailan itinayo kulto nyo.

Listed below are the founder, starting date and starting location of a number of Christian faith groups and traditions. They are organized in chronological order. In some cases, the data is under dispute.

Faith Group or tradition---------Founder----------Date (CE)-----Location
Roman Catholic-----------------Jesus, Peter ------- Circa 30------- Palestine
Orthodox churches-------------Jesus, Peter ------- Circa 30 ------- Palestine
Lutheranism---------------------Martin Luther ------- 1517------- Germany
Swiss Reformed Church--------Zwingli ------- 1523------- Switzerland
Mennonites-----------------------No single founder------- 1525------- Switzerland
Anglican Communion-----------King Henry 8 ------- 1534------- England
Calvinism------------------------John Calvin ------- 1536------- Switzerland
Presbyterianism ----------------John Knox ------- 1560-------------- Scotland
Baptist Churches----------------John Smyth ------- 1605------- Holland
Dutch Reformed-----------------Michaelis Jones ------- 1628------- Netherlands
Amish----------------------------Jakob Ammann ------- 1693------- Switzerland
Methodism-----------------------John Wesley ------- 1739------- England
Quakers-------------------------George Fox ------- 1647------- England
Moravians------------------------Count Zinendorf -------1727------- Germany
Congregationalism--------------John Wesley ------- 1744------- England
Brethren-------------------------John Darby ------- 1828------- England
Latter-day Saints---------------Joseph Smith ------- 1830 -------NY, USA
Seventh Day Adventists--------Ellen White ------- 1860 -------NH, USA
Salvation Army------------------William Booth ------- 1865 -------England
Jehovah's Witnesses-------------Charles Russell ------- 1870 -------PA, USA
Christian Science-----------------Mary Baker Eddy -------1879 -------NH USA
Pentecostalism--------------------Charles Parham ------- 1900 -------CA, USA
Worldwide Church of God------ H.W. Armstrong ------- 1933/47 -------OR, USA 3
Unification Church---------------Sun Myung Moon ------- 1954 -------South Korea

Notes:

1. Beliefs concerning the origin of the Roman Catholic Church differ:
- According to the Roman Catholic Church, the church was founded by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, some 50 days after Jesus' execution by the Roman Army, circa 30-APR CE. Peter moved to Rome, and became the first pope of the Christian movement. They believe that he was followed by a continuous succession of popes up to the present day. They teach that the Roman Church is the true church founded by God.
- According to many liberal theologians and historians: Peter never moved to Rome. James, the brother of Jesus, headed the Jewish Christian Movement in Jerusalem after Jesus' execution, with Peter as an assistant. Paul returned to Palestine later and founded Pauline Christianity in compet*tion to Jewish Christianity. Gnostic Christianity came still later. Only Pauline Christianity survived. They assert that centralization of church power in Rome did not occur until perhaps the mid 5th century CE. Pope Leo I, who reigned from 440 to 461 CE, claimed that the Bishop of Rome was highest ranking bishop. That time period should be considered as the start of the Roman Catholic church.
2. Beliefs concerning the origin of the Eastern Orthodox church also differ:
- The Eastern Orthodox church and most religious historians teach that there were five Patriarchates in the early years of Christianity. They were: Alexandria, Antioch Constantinople, Jerusalem and Rome. Each was governed by a Bishop. With the advent of Islam, only Constantinople and Rome survived as major power centers. They were in a continual state of disagreement until they formally severed their relationship in 1054 CE by mutually excommunicating each other's leaders.
- The Roman Catholic Church teaches that the Bishop of Rome was universally recognized as the center of authority within very early Christianity. The Eastern branch of Christianity broke away from Rome in 1054 CE. However, the two groups both recognize the Apostolic succession and what the Roman Catholic Church considers to be "a valid Eucharist."
3. Herbert W. Armstrong (1892-1986) started the Radio Church of God in Eugene OR in 1933 -- one of many churches which contained the phrase "Church of God." He changed the prefix "Worldwide" in 1947.
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May 25 09 4:56 PM

RCCWARRIOR wrote:
Eh t**** ka pala eh! Hindi nagmula ang Iglesia sa Roma kundi sa Jerusalem. Roma lang ang naging sentro dahil nagtungo don si Apostol Pedro. Isa pa, ang tunay na Iglesia ay hindi nagsimula sa Apalit Pampanga!


Talaga??? Sa Apalit, Pampanga???

Mga taga-INC at ADD pwede sabihan nyo mga minstro nyo pa-register naman mga kulto nyo sa religioustolerance.org para maitala naman kung sino ang founder nyo at kailan itinayo kulto nyo.


Listed below are the founder, starting date and starting location of a number of Christian faith groups and traditions. They are organized in chronological order. In some cases, the data is under dispute.

Faith Group or tradition---------Founder----------Date (CE)-----Location
Roman Catholic-----------------Jesus, Peter ------- Circa 30------- Palestine
Orthodox churches-------------Jesus, Peter ------- Circa 30 ------- Palestine
Lutheranism---------------------Martin Luther ------- 1517------- Germany
Swiss Reformed Church--------Zwingli ------- 1523------- Switzerland
Mennonites-----------------------No single founder------- 1525------- Switzerland
Anglican Communion-----------King Henry 8 ------- 1534------- England
Calvinism------------------------John Calvin ------- 1536------- Switzerland
Presbyterianism ----------------John Knox ------- 1560-------------- Scotland
Baptist Churches----------------John Smyth ------- 1605------- Holland
Dutch Reformed-----------------Michaelis Jones ------- 1628------- Netherlands
Amish----------------------------Jakob Ammann ------- 1693------- Switzerland
Methodism-----------------------John Wesley ------- 1739------- England
Quakers-------------------------George Fox ------- 1647------- England
Moravians------------------------Count Zinendorf -------1727------- Germany
Congregationalism--------------John Wesley ------- 1744------- England
Brethren-------------------------John Darby ------- 1828------- England
Latter-day Saints---------------Joseph Smith ------- 1830 -------NY, USA
Seventh Day Adventists--------Ellen White ------- 1860 -------NH, USA
Salvation Army------------------William Booth ------- 1865 -------England
Jehovah's Witnesses-------------Charles Russell ------- 1870 -------PA, USA
Christian Science-----------------Mary Baker Eddy -------1879 -------NH USA
Pentecostalism--------------------Charles Parham ------- 1900 -------CA, USA
Worldwide Church of God------ H.W. Armstrong ------- 1933/47 -------OR, USA 3
Unification Church---------------Sun Myung Moon ------- 1954 -------South Korea

Notes:

1. Beliefs concerning the origin of the Roman Catholic Church differ:
- According to the Roman Catholic Church, the church was founded by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, some 50 days after Jesus' execution by the Roman Army, circa 30-APR CE. Peter moved to Rome, and became the first pope of the Christian movement. They believe that he was followed by a continuous succession of popes up to the present day. They teach that the Roman Church is the true church founded by God.
- According to many liberal theologians and historians: Peter never moved to Rome. James, the brother of Jesus, headed the Jewish Christian Movement in Jerusalem after Jesus' execution, with Peter as an assistant. Paul returned to Palestine later and founded Pauline Christianity in compet*tion to Jewish Christianity. Gnostic Christianity came still later. Only Pauline Christianity survived. They assert that centralization of church power in Rome did not occur until perhaps the mid 5th century CE. Pope Leo I, who reigned from 440 to 461 CE, claimed that the Bishop of Rome was highest ranking bishop. That time period should be considered as the start of the Roman Catholic church.
2. Beliefs concerning the origin of the Eastern Orthodox church also differ:
- The Eastern Orthodox church and most religious historians teach that there were five Patriarchates in the early years of Christianity. They were: Alexandria, Antioch Constantinople, Jerusalem and Rome. Each was governed by a Bishop. With the advent of Islam, only Constantinople and Rome survived as major power centers. They were in a continual state of disagreement until they formally severed their relationship in 1054 CE by mutually excommunicating each other's leaders.
- The Roman Catholic Church teaches that the Bishop of Rome was universally recognized as the center of authority within very early Christianity. The Eastern branch of Christianity broke away from Rome in 1054 CE. However, the two groups both recognize the Apostolic succession and what the Roman Catholic Church considers to be "a valid Eucharist."
3. Herbert W. Armstrong (1892-1986) started the Radio Church of God in Eugene OR in 1933 -- one of many churches which contained the phrase "Church of God." He changed the prefix "Worldwide" in 1947.

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VADE RETRO SATANA NUN QUAM SUADE MIHI VANA
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PER CHRISTUM DOMINUM NOSTRUM

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